Actually, this post and thread are mocking r/MensRights for being super stupid AND for excusing violence against women. Did you even read the sperm-burgler post?
And surely you don't think that because it happened to you (or a friend? A friend of a cousin's boyfriend?) that this ranks as one of the most pressing issues concerning men today.
I read it, and agree with it. I'm not trolling here, it was a genuine question. I don't believe that spermburlaring is a problem. My only question was with the appearant tone that it is impossible it ever happens at all.
It has happened five times. There was a disputed sixth occurrence, but the court ruled that since the woman had bought the condoms and that the man had put the sperm inside it willingly, it was not spermburgled.
Can I actually post a serious comment/question* here, or would that be thread-jacking?
I think lots of people's brains are single-threaded. They just can't grasp the concept that something is a floor wax and a dessert topping. I've seen it written somewhere (maybe by Richard Wiseman, but I'm too lazy to look it up right now), that if you assert one really good reason why something is or isn't true, you are more likely to convince people than if you assert several equally good reasons for the same thing. This is why creationists are always demanding a single fossil that proves evolution. (Of course, when you point to Tiktaalik, they just say "two gaps", or mumble something about kinds.)
[*] Sorry, Liz, if you're reading, I guess this isn't a question. We need to get your "What is a question" rant (long version) up on You-Tube someday.
Of course you witnessed a spermburgling attempt! <i>Of course!</i> Surely there wasn't more to the story probably told to you by some angry dude bro of yours. Or by "witness" do you mean you were actually there as the woman grabbed the condom, and ran screeming from the room? Because I seriously fucking doubt that.
You wouldn't understand. Here at ASSHATT, we have witnessed hundreds of men who have had women steal their sperm during protected sex and then ruined their lives with child support claims later.
I'm betting in the case mentioned here, the woman probably seduced him and before he even had time to think about proper protection, she was already busy burgling. It happens all the time, and I don't know why society thinks it's okay to keep taking the side of these professional criminals that they call "single mothers". This unverified anecdote by this nameless poster is proof enough of overbearing female privelege.
All of us ASSHATTS will fight against this blind female privelege here and restore the balance of sexual consequences back to the underpriveleged bros.
It wasn't a misunderstanding from some “angry dude bro” of mine. This woman removed a condom from the trash and attempted to insert its contents into herself. When she was confronted about the missing condom she admitted to having done this. Now, all of this is really beside the point. The only thing I was questioning here was the apparent assertion that, in this respect, women are infallible and would never do such a thing. I think making this assertion detracts from an otherwise sound argument. I want to reiterate, I don't think this is a “pressing issue facing men”. The only reason I brought this up was a concern for the methodology of the argument being made here. Yes, it is crazy that a group of men who call themselves “Men's Rights Activists” think this is some sort of pandemic and are raising a fuss about it. It's even crazier that the MRAs make the claim that the possibility of sperm-burglary justifies their hatred of women and gives them the right to assault women. If I am missing some offense I have made that warrants these sardonic responses then I genuinely apologize. I was just trying to participate.
Yep. Even if I believed you, do you honestly believe that her chances of becoming pregnant in that situation is likely?! More than likely she'd smear it all over her crotch and then the next time she peed, she would have wiped it off. I'd also like to know the other circumstances surrounding this so-called sperm burglaring.
"All this is beside the point." Except no, it is not, since you brought it up. It is up to you to prove your outlandish claims. It is not "beside the point" to prove your outlandish claims.
Secondly, come on. This shit is not common, and the post was clearly mocking the completely outragious situation. It even turned out to be a troll! This did not happen. And that was the point. The point was the onslaught of misogyny.
But you conveniently blasted past the entire point of this post, which was the blatant misogony, and had to come waltz in here with, "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE MENZ? OMG! The poor men! And look! Crazy women do exist! I know because of heresay! Women are crazy and trying to trick poor men into having their baby by smearing sperm all over their vajajay because that will tooootally get them pregnant instead of just coming off the next time they wipe after a piss. And I must ignore the point of this post to come in here with my heresay and anectodes so that I can prove that crazy women do exist and there are tons of poor men out there getting dubed by crazy sperm burglars!!!"
Let me guess: Assuming your story is true, she is not pregnant, is she? Why, I never!
Please understand that I agree with you. I think I made it clear that I understand the point of the argument to be that claims of sperm-burglary do not justify hatred and violence against women. My only issue is that taking the stance that it is impossible that women would try this will weaken the argument.
No, the girl didn't get pregnant. I don't imagine this working, and I don't think it's a problem. Perhaps I could have avoided this by not bringing up an allegory about how it has happened, I would retract that portion of my statement if I could, despite its authenticity. But I would not retract that denying it's possibility might become ammunition for MRAs.
This argument shouldn't be about whether or not it happened, but claiming that it's impossible that it happened makes the argument about that instead of putting the focus on the insanity of a group of men claiming to be victims and claiming the right to use violence against women. That is the only point I am trying to make.
@Skeptinerd: "claiming that it's impossible that it happened"
No one has done that. Here, I'll be explicit: during the course of Earth's history, more likely than not at least one adult human female (probably with some unfortunate mental health issues) has tried get pregnant from a recently-used condom. Are you happy now? Do we now have your permission to ridicule the ridiculous?